Episode Transcript
Speaker 0 00:00:00 Hello, and welcome to the, give yourself the chat podcast. I'm your host, Peter Lewis. And this show is all about leadership, coaching and living a life of high performance. Hello, everyone. Welcome to the chat podcast and I'm delighted to have my next guest on with me, Andrew and Andrew. You've got the, um, the award of the, the person who lives the furthest away from me on this podcast. So far, you're in Australia there. How are you doing great mate. That's what I was going for. I'm like, I want it. I want to get that award. I'm doing well. I'm doing well. Thanks for having me here. You're very welcome. You're very welcome. And for the benefit of the listener, my one or two listeners, my mum and dad, um, uh, Andrew and I we've met on, on LinkedIn. We've never met in person, um, but we are on the same sort of conversations threads, and Andrew sort of popped up and I was interested in your background and what you do as a sort of stress and performance coach.
Speaker 0 00:01:00 And I thought, particularly during this or coronavirus pandemic sort of time, it'd be useful just to give our listeners some, some ideas about what's going on with you, but also what they can take away. But how, how are things with pandemic in Australia back here in UK? This is now week six or seven and locked down. How is it for you guys? You might, I think we are in about week five or six. Um, and for me locked down as being a pretty pleasant, peaceful experience. Um, I'm very familiar with being online. Uh, I've always ran online programs and done coaching online. So day to day business for me, hasn't really been affected too much. Um, I'm actually based in Bali. I live in Bali and I came over, I ran a retreat and I miss getting back to Indonesia just by a couple of dates.
Speaker 0 00:01:53 Yeah. So I've, uh, I'm here, but where we are at a place called the Dandenong ranges, beautiful forestry, um, plenty of trees, like, you know, you're leaving the up amongst the trees on the Hills, which is a beautiful spot. I still have some high school friends that live in this area. So I've had a beer with them here and there. That looks for me, locked down has been a rather peaceful experience where there was a point where I was trying to get back to Bali and I was forced into somewhat forced into a surrender. Whereas like I don't, I've got very limited control over my experience and where I am in the world right now. So I'll just let go of trying to push and force and, uh, yeah, it was really quite, uh, quite, um, peaceful to do so, so locked down for me. He's been pretty relaxed. It seems to be pretty relaxed to other people that are mixed with, um, yeah, most, most of my friends have seen to kind of just enjoy it to an extent, but I'm getting a little bit itchy now, a little bit of cheating to get out and move. I bet. Yeah. It's, it's interesting. Are you staying with friends or family there
Speaker 1 00:03:00 Then because you haven't been to get back? What are you doing? You are the parents. Okay. Now that's an intro. Must be an interesting experience in of itself as well. It's a, I think for us here locked down with two teenagers, as long as the wifi holds out, we're fine. I think if wifi goes down, it's screwed. I mean much like you, I I've seen this as an opportunity. Most of my clients were all offline. Um, and you know, you could struggle and, and rage against the fact that you can't do that. Or you can just accept it and think, well, perhaps there's an opportunity here for me to, to upscale learn new things and do that. And I think a lot of people, as long as you have your house and you're not have the immediate threat of, of, you know, your own existence, then I think actually this does present an opportunity to reflect and to your point, need to sort of let go and think, okay, well let's just go with this and see what I can make of it.
Speaker 0 00:03:54 Yeah, man, I really liked us then how you said the immediate threat of your own existence, because it's, it might sound simple or even silly, but I'm not going to die. I'm going to survive. I may be a little bit uncomfortable or not as comfortable as I'd like to be, but there's no reason to kick up a stink about that because I'm very safe. I'm in a very safe, secure position. Um, and I think there's a lot of human behavior that you can build around. I'm going to survive. I'm not going to die, but I really do think it's a, it's a powerful way to think it'd be like, you know what I will be okay on on we go. So I just liked that you mentioned it that way or that your language it that way.
Speaker 1 00:04:40 Well, yeah, well that kind of popped to mind, but I think a lot of what informs that, uh, that thinking for me is, I mean, I've got an, I had a 20 year military career and there's very few things that phase somebody that's kind of been in those sort of intense environments and more laterally. I've been a sort of student of stoicism, which, you know, is a wonderful phrase and stoicism that talks about I'm more farty, um, the love of fate and just whatever plays out is part of the journey. And it's just us to, to think about to your point, what's within my control here. You know, I, I can't magic a plane back to Bali. I could really lose a lot of energy over that, or I can just accept it and go with him because what else is there? And that's the ultimate level of control I believe.
Speaker 0 00:05:28 Yeah, man, I agree a hundred percent and you know, just to die, I did a, I did a video in one of my groups talking about how, although I'm, I'm here physically and it's locked down, that's keeping me here. There's still times where I noticed myself being emotionally resistant to being here, living at my folks house, which, and trying to deny it, which is ridiculous because I'm here, you know, that I still find it fascinating that the ego will still attempt to try and deny something like that. So it acceptances Dane acceptance and surrender has been a daily practice for me at the moment. And I've been enjoying it.
Speaker 1 00:06:10 So tell us about how, how Andrew you get to where you are, not necessarily physically, but this journey that you're on, um, as a coach and you arrive either through, you know, the philosophies that you've studied or, or, or just you, cause you run retreats, you do online coaching, you do all sorts of great stuff there. How did you get to this point in your life and give us a bit of that sort of background.
Speaker 0 00:06:34 So I've always been interested in different ways of thinking and loved thinking through things and was always that, that guy in the group that you can do to have a chat. And, um, you know, I just remember thinking to myself one time, I'm like, I wish I could just get paid to give people advice. I'm like, that'd be great. Uh, but I didn't, I didn't know the form within which that could take place. And it was 2013. I told myself, I'll start studying a bachelor of psychological science the next year. And so I started in that and then it started to lead me down the Avenue of human behavior and life coaching. And when I read a quick little summary of what that was, I thought that's, that's me 110%. So at 25 I went and signed up at a place called the coaching Institute, found out about them on a Monday night, call them the Tuesday, went in and signed up on the Wednesday.
Speaker 0 00:07:26 I was just born, they're born. Um, and, uh, yeah, I got into it because I love it. It's my passion. It's my interest States. You know, I hadn't gone through anything and healed myself necessarily to then go back and help others. Uh, and just like, this is what I love, this, this fascinates me and interests me. So I started my steps 14, my first three day coaching experience or, or transformational room 1st of August, 2014. And then since then I've, you know, read a bunch of books, coached thousands of hours. Now had all of my own experience that I've learned from, uh, bane in many, many training rooms, led some training rooms, ran a little programs being through programs and just the learnings and the lessons and the experience developed and all intertwined together. And, uh, yeah, it'll be six years in, in August. And, um, you know, spent some time in the last two years, uh, living in Bali and enjoying that loss stall. And, uh, I'm hoping to get back to that as soon as possible once restrictions lifted.
Speaker 1 00:08:32 Yeah. Yeah. So, um, why Bali in particular? I mean, I guess it conjures up all sorts of images, but um, what, what was the draw for you?
Speaker 0 00:08:42 So I always wanted to, to work and travel or at least work and live in a nice tropical type area and Bali tick the boxes, it's close to Australia. Uh, I knew some people, it is a bit of a hub for the old digital nomad let's say, or, or the, the influence sell the coaching ends, the coaches and the spiritual people online who are wanting to change the world. And that's how the staff has a bit of a hub for that. Um, and where I live is, is, has got a lot of that kind of going on, but, uh, it's just a fun transient place. It's a holiday destination. It's, it's got a lot of young people it's a bit further up from, there's an area that she kind of like your, your classic Bogan Australian, which I think translates to a chance.
Speaker 1 00:09:31 Yeah. I think we know what you mean. Yeah,
Speaker 0 00:09:33 Yeah, yeah. So that, it's a little bit further out from that good spot. Get some surfing, done, warm weather, uh, freedom. Freedom is, is my biggest driver in life. And, uh, yeah, that, that's why I'm, that's why Bali.
Speaker 1 00:09:48 Oh, fantastic. I didn't realize that that whole kind of digital nomad piece, but I can see the draw and an attraction. So I'm guessing all the coffee houses are full of people with laptops open sort of sitting there all day kind of doing their things. All right.
Speaker 0 00:10:01 Yeah. It might, there is, there's plenty of that going on and right in Shango, you meet someone and it is like, ah, geez, another, another bloody coach, you know, and not a coach working online or someone else scaling their digital business or another influencer tagging their Instagram stuff. It has a bit of that going on. So that can be a bit annoying cause like I'm six years into the game now. So, um, it's not that new on a coach type thing for me, but, uh, I don't, I don't involve myself into it too much, but it's, it's certainly there and it's, it's a great space. It's really cool.
Speaker 1 00:10:34 Let's, let's explore that whole, um, that space where the, or that, that, uh, that environment that coaches work in, but particularly this, cause I know, um, the bit about your background and prereading here that you're helping business owners sort of avoid that sort of, you know, reach performance without the burnout and the stress and everything else that is, but there is, there is that kind of hustle culture isn't there there's that, you know, sort of the poster boy for it is people like Gary V and I'm a big part of people like Gary V and everything else like this, but there's this type of stuff that, you know, you've got to keep grinding and hustling and doing and kind of, and that's the route to success and that works for some people, but you are more about the balance aspect about having the end result, but without necessarily, right. So what's your view on all that kind of that hustle culture?
Speaker 0 00:11:18 Yeah. I think that, you know, there is that big badge of honor around us. Um, and the way that I talk about it is, um, I think there's a lot people just have, they're trying to prove something, you know, and if you're trying to prove that you're strong and capable, in my opinion, it comes from shadow parts of yourself that feel weak and incapable. And another sit still, I suppose, modality, I bring into, to talking about this is looking at the masculine feminine energies, both have mature and immature versions. And I think the world of business and entrepreneurship is, is, is largely a boy. Psychology is larger. It's largely a real immature masculine of that young buck out to prove that he's not a scared, lost, afraid, incapable, inadequate, little boy. Um, and maybe, you know, boys go through this and still in the bodies of men.
Speaker 0 00:12:13 And you know, you're doing silly stuff with jumping off big stance or whatever. Maybe you're punching up people on the weekend. Maybe you get yourself wasted. Well now you're working 60, 70 hours a week taking on more than you can actually handle to, to prove to the world that you're, that you're not those things. Um, so I think it's just, you know, better the devil we know than the devil we don't to just keep running and burning out is a more safe emotionally than to really turn and face and slow down a bit and look at the parts of ourselves to actually just feel quite weak and incapable and inadequate purely in our, in our States of being. And now when you address these parts that are, that are really fueling the need to prove oneself or that, uh, is fueling the need to distract ourselves through busy-ness and being a workaholic, you will find that your behaviors and your results and your experience will begin to change. Naturally those behaviors that STEM from such emotional wounds will just begin to fall out of your loss once this type of person development work has been done. So I think it's, I think, I think the times are changing a bit from the push hustle. It's still out there massively, but I think, I think it's beginning to change a little bit.
Speaker 1 00:13:37 It's interesting how that, that, that almost that default state. And so it's interesting, you refer to it as the more, the immature masculine part. And that's not to say that there's not the sort of feminine sort of hustle elements of it, but that also that, that getting caught up with swept along with it, you know, everyone that kind of starts up, wants to go straight to a billion dollar revenue kind of thing. And there is a journey there's a process in that and, and, you know, to people like Gary V's credit, I think he does acknowledge the fact that actually just enjoys it. He enjoys the fact that the journey is the most sort of fulfilling things they have not, not, not the kind of buying the jets or whatever it is type of thing. But I think a lot of people have kind of just misinterpreted what it is to be in business and to be successful in whatever. And that, so how do you help people kind of turn to face those perhaps uncomfortable truths or have the courage to do that and, and work on those parts in order for them to fall away?
Speaker 0 00:14:34 Yeah, well, people usually come to me at the point where they're, they're ready to, you know, and, uh, the willingness is there and, uh, but I'll, I'll just call it too. I'll just be direct and straight with people. Um, and I think when it comes to human behavior, you're able to cut through the story. You're able to cut through the bullshit and the justifications pretty quickly and say, this is what's actually going on and that you can't hide from that level of awareness. You know, I don't know if you've had it with clients before, but sometimes you can see them and feel and just squirming a bit. Cause it's like, I can't, I can't hide when I'm having a conversation with this guy because he's just seeing through all of it. So I just, I'd be pretty direct in that aspect. And I give understanding, I think suffering in life is a, is a consequence of misunderstanding, the structures of consciousness and the structures of ego in the nature of loss.
Speaker 0 00:15:31 Uh, so when you clear up those misunderstandings and you create different perspectives, I think that that really helps people to begin to access the emotional pain that they've been running from. You know, if they throw out this excuse and I'll just call bullshit on it and we strip it back, back, back, back, back, back back, eventually you're going to wind up at the point that you've been running from. And then when you're there, I take people through how to actually healthily process their emotions and just slowly get them to learn, to identify the feeling in their body. If they can feel the point that they are resisting well, then they, and they can identify the fact that, Oh yeah, I am pushing down there once you've identified the fact that you're pushing down, then you're able to release the force with which you're pushing on the emotion and, and remove that a lot of times people don't even know that they're resisting, you know, there's that lack of awareness, so really help them by education and then application.
Speaker 1 00:16:37 Yeah, it goes good. Yummy. You talked about that, that suffering and I guess the root of suffering a lot of the time is that attachment to whatever it is they're holding onto or they're fearful of letting go. So what kind of informs your work around that? And what's kind of schools of philosophy or, or teachings sort of have resonated with you over the years and currently?
Speaker 0 00:16:58 Yeah. So in my early days I learned a lot of patterns and codes of human behavior. So Tony Robbins, six core needs, uh, you know, things like your foe, what you focus on is what you get. Um, every, you know, perception is projection. The outside's a reflection of the inside, all of that type of stuff. Um, so I use a lot of those. I do, I do enjoy some of, uh, you know, the teachings on attachment and suffering. Uh, I love that. I love, I love spirituality teachings. They make a lot of sense to me. Uh, for me personally, like when you look at stuff that the, all the mystics and sages of the world have said and water and stuff like that, it's like, yeah, that makes sense to me. I'm like, that makes a lot of sense. Um, so I really love those teachings.
Speaker 0 00:17:47 I, I, uh, just a five day meditation program and I have a 31 day one happening at the moment and I'm not teaching any techniques of how to meditate. What I'm sharing with people is the structures of the ego and consciousness and how, and teaching them how to observe their experience. And that's the kind of stuff that I love talking about. I love, I love to think that all suffering is an illusion or the Orpheus and illusion that I've created at all. Then I love that type of stuff. So that, that influences my work a lot. Um, the conversations with God books. I love those. I don't know if you've read them, but a combination of science, human behavior and spirituality, I would say.
Speaker 1 00:18:31 Yeah, I, I find personally that actually exploring all of those schools of thought is just enriches your understanding experience. You know, so I'm not particularly wedded to one part, but I'll read about all parts. And I think actually you create that richer, richer sort of experience for yourself, but also for your clients, working with them, you can kind of draw on whatever the scores you, like, you mentioned Tony Robbins there, I'm actually listening to one of his audio books again, there's revisiting it. And I went to the unleash, the power within many years ago and did all that kind of stuff, big fan of Tony's, but then went and explored other things when coming back around to it and thinking, yeah, this is just timeless stuff. And it's interesting. I'm listening to Tony Robbins on the back of revisiting someone, Jim Rone stuff. And you can see the, the kind of lineage of the mentor to the mentee, through their work.
Speaker 1 00:19:18 And I'm doing just, I've got a 15 year old boy here in the house. And he came down to me the other day and he kind of picked something. He sees me doing the podcast and everything else. He said, dad, I'd like to go to a Tony Robbins seminar. Can we go to one like, wow, I discovered Tony Robbins, all of this kind of teaching into my late thirties. But if you get that kind of stuff, when you're 15 and you go, you begin your journey, then, I mean, there's no limit to perhaps where that might lead. That's awesome.
Speaker 0 00:19:44 One, man. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1 00:19:52 Now you talked about meditation, then you said you got a 31 day meditation sort of chat. Is that some kind of, um, uh, clearly it must be an online meditation type of chat. I choose the word practice. It's not a challenge, but some sort of course tell us about that. I'm fascinated.
Speaker 0 00:20:07 Yeah. So what I've, what I'm teaching is that a lot of people go into meditation thinking, how do I meditate? All right. I need to go in and calm my mind. If I'm thinking that's bad and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. But what I teach is that meditation rather than trying to go, this is how to meditate, teach what meditation is. Meditation is the nonjudgmental observation of our experience. And when you, when you, when you're observing, I teach how to observe, not how to meditate. And so the intention behind this, the programs are called infinite calm. And the intention is that don't like when meditating don't have an agenda, don't go in with an attachment. You know, you'll only, you can't calm your mind. It's like someone throws a rock in a pond. If you try to smooth out the ripples on the surface of the water, every time you just create more.
Speaker 0 00:21:02 But if you just observe the, the, the, the water's gonna still and calm itself. So I believe when it comes to meditation, my job is to watch, observe and notice my experience and allow the traffic or the content of my mind to calm itself, allow myself to observe a thought as a thought or a belief as a belief, or as a story, as a story, and to break the identification with it, you know, and just to slowly be like, okay, I'm not my thoughts. I don't need to buy into the Buisiness and the content and the traffic of my mind. Uh, and I think the less, the less that we buy into it, the less we suffer and the more free and peaceful and calm we feel. So that's, that's the angle and the approach that I'm taking him in the program, and I'm sharing, you know, the six needs of the ego, what the ego is doing.
Speaker 0 00:21:57 And then I, cause when I'm sharing the structures and what's actually happening, someone will do a meditation. They're just like, I saw that I could see my ego trying to control everything and trying to put thoughts in boxes and then put them to the side and then think about other thoughts and label them into boxes to just, you know, kind of prepare all the information and take control. And I just get excited when someone has observed that. Um, because they just more and more awareness. So that's the, yeah, that's the angle I'm taking with this program and it's, it's pretty cool. So far.
Speaker 1 00:22:30 I love this loads of things in there, Andrew. One about it's you're not teaching them how to meditate, teach them how to observe. And this idea of, I mean, I'll put, I personally, um, you know, I try to have a sort of meditative sort of practice in the morning. Um, and it wasn't until recently I realized actually somebody said to me, look just, it's okay to have these thoughts come into your head, but just don't follow them, observe them, but, but don't follow it and see where it goes. Just, you know, and that, I think for a lot of us amateur sort of meditated, I guess we all know in some respect is that it's okay to have these. You're not your, your liver or your water analogy is a really good one because you can almost beat yourself up about how come I have all these thoughts coming in. How come I can't do this? I won't do it. And so many people give up on their meditative practice because they think it's all about, I've got to have a quiet mind and if I can't do that, damn it, I can't do it
Speaker 0 00:23:24 Exactly. Hundred percent manage. And that's going in that's because again, that's misunderstanding, understanding leads to suffering, leads to frustration, leads to giving up.
Speaker 1 00:23:37 Yeah, yeah. That does that one example. It encapsulates the whole crux of the matter. It isn't it's um, and it's interesting. I think you can find that meditative state, that observation state through in many different ways. I mean, I often accessed it through running and exercising and things like that, where there's just nothing, but just being in that moment and you can reach those States. And I think for me, it's knowing that actually those States can be reached. And, and what is the common denominator? The common denominator when I'm out on the bike or I'm out running, I'm not really thinking at all stuff is coming in and going out and it's a blissful state, so you can reach it. It's uh, it's when you try and force it, right. I've got to, got to do my 10 minutes of meditation and I've got to get more Zen, like, because it's part of that back to that kind of almost that hustle kind of got to go get up, grind it, you know,
Speaker 0 00:24:30 It's like this hustling in your meditation. Yeah,
Speaker 1 00:24:33 Yeah, yeah. Come on, come on.
Speaker 0 00:24:36 Yeah. Yeah. That's funny. That's funny.
Speaker 1 00:24:38 There's um, there's the, the, the ego often comes up in a lot of conversations. I talk to people, um, be it performance or relationships or anything else, not this, you know, we all have one. Um, I try and advise my, when I'm taking my leadership courses, whatever, or doing some team facilitation and say, look, you've got an ego, just leave it at the door. You can pick it up on your way out. What is it that can be, what is it about the ego that's so powerful in a, I guess, in a constructive, but also destructive sense that I'd love to explore ego with you and your thoughts around that.
Speaker 0 00:25:14 Yeah. So I think, I think with ego, I'm always, in my opinion, coming from ego, I think, you know, and, and we all say we all have an ego. I think we're all like there is the ego. There's not, in my opinion, there's not my ego or your ego that would make them different. Uh, there's just the ego. And it's, it's a judgmental thing purely from safety and survival. Uh, from my understanding, it's the two games, the two modes, sorry, the two motives or the ego is gain and survival and that in each and every moment, even if I'm, even if I'm cowering to an attacker, I'm doing my best to control that situation. I'm doing my best to stay safe and survive. And, you know, the ego gets made out to be this bad thing. I reckon, you know, I think just like, eh, April's ego, you know, just don't make it out to be this bad thing.
Speaker 0 00:26:13 Then we feel, we feel bad about having ego, or we try to get rid of ego ego, which is the biggest ego trip going around. And again, misunderstanding. And we just get caught up in our whole kerfuffle of self-created never ending problems, but that's what the ego wants. It wants to have problems so that it can have something to distract itself with attach itself to, and be useful for some sort of purpose. So I think ego rock and roll, you know, it's going to do its thing and, uh, you know, making it a, a, a bad guy is just giving yourself another problem in your life that you need to fix themselves. But when you just accept, yeah. I operate through ego all the time. Even right now, I'm coming from ego in my opinion. Um, cause I'm still experiencing myself as an alone, separate being in this I'm aware of the connect economics and concepts like experientially. I'm unaware of that. And so in my opinion, that's because I'm operating through and filtering this experience through it.
Speaker 1 00:27:33 Yeah. Yeah. That's very cool. Um, I hadn't actually considered that ego as you know, it's not your ego is not my ego. It, there is just ego. That's, that's an interesting thing to reflect on. You also get the second prize of the day. You're the first podcast guest to use the word kerfuffle in an episode
Speaker 0 00:27:58 I'm going for three, I'm going for three awards by the end of the
Speaker 1 00:28:02 You're rocking it to that. You're walking to, um, this, this is, this is I'm really enjoying this Andrew. Um, what I'd like to do now for our listener is, you know, so the podcast is called, give yourself the chat and, and what that doesn't mean is beat yourself off. And it is just that in, uh, the inner game that we're always playing and, and my vote, you know, you've had my backstory, but you know, they give yourself the chat is to when sometimes you feel like doing the easy thing or you really don't want to. And how do you kind of pick yourself up? How do you kind of get yourself going again? Because you know, it's, it can only come from within what, what kind of ideas would you perhaps leave with our listeners about how you might give yourself the chat and what your version of that is?
Speaker 0 00:28:43 Yeah. Why would I give myself the chat is, I think there's a combination of the, you know, step up, get it done, but also a, a softer side of, um, you know, I value and put time aside to, to process my emotions. You know, if I find that I'm procrastinating, if I find that I'm self sabotage or I'm avoiding a bit, I'm like, alright, there's an emotional resistance going on here somewhere. You can suck it up and push on through. Um, or you can give yourself 10, 15 minutes to just be with whatever discomfort in your body that you're not wanting to lean any further into. Uh, and, and I always just let myself know that whatever I'm experiencing is okay, like it's, it's okay to experience a violent thought. It's not acceptable to act on that violent thought. It's okay to experience the feeling of hatred towards another.
Speaker 0 00:29:41 It doesn't mean on a dad person, unless I say so, but I just give myself full permission to, to experience whatever I'm experiencing. I do my best to observe it from a nonjudgmental perspective and be like, Hey, it is what it is. And yeah, again, that allows me to not just get caught up in it and not, not fight it and resist it in my body and tie myself out with the energy it requires to, to, to, to try and win or stay on top of the inner conflict and the inner battle. Um, but I certainly value, uh, sitting down and fighting the discomfort because once that shifted my productivity skyrockets, something that I may have been avoiding for a week gets done just like that. Um, so that's how I have the chat with myself is permission for my experience to be what it is. Uh, I, I sit down and I just feel whatever is present in my body at the time. Um, and then I give myself the kick up the button and off we go,
Speaker 1 00:30:45 That's the interesting distinction there, because, you know, you could give yourself permission it's so, okay, I'm having this negative thought, doesn't make me a bad person. You could almost though, if you don't do that next bit of kicking yourself at the bottom or getting going, you could let yourself off the hook couldn't you, which is not what, what, what, what we're about. So, and I think perhaps we're sometimes in danger of letting ourselves off the hook. Okay. It's okay. You know, it's fine. And it's like, well, no, you have to, again, turn to have the courage to face the hard truth of Nope. Get on with it, you know? And I think that's the distinction. Otherwise it says too easy to kind of self talk yourself into sitting on the couch.
Speaker 0 00:31:24 Totally, man, I totally agree. There's there's so many teachings or quotes or understandings out there that can be misused. They can be are. Okay. So that means that I don't have to do that. Great. But yeah, through trial and error, you begin to, you begin to hear the stories of when you're full of crap and you just like quiet Dan, and off you go. Yeah,
Speaker 1 00:31:45 Yeah, yeah, absolutely. It's um, I was talking about sort of different schoolings and teachings and things. I was on it. I was on a podcast guest yesterday, so I, I was a guest on someone and, uh, they, for some reason the law of attraction came up and it said, if you read the secret and I said, well, I've read lots of books and I've read that one. And what do you think of it? I said, well, it's great. But if you think that you can just kind of wish a bag of money to fall into your lap, you're kinda missing the point. There's, you've got to think I have the idea, but then you've just got to get off the couch and do it, or kick yourself up the button, do it. And that's just, I just use that as the example, not to give the law of attraction and kicking butt, you can just take something completely misinterpreted and then think, well, that's it then. And I draw comfort in the fact that if I just think something, if I just accept this and be kind to myself, that's okay. It doesn't really advance you. It doesn't really advance us, you know?
Speaker 0 00:32:37 Yeah. I agree. There needs to a healthy balance of the two approaches.
Speaker 1 00:32:41 Yeah. Yeah. So this is, this is awesome. And we're coming to the end of our episode now, Andrew, but I mean, feel free. Um, how can people kind of access your work and, and find out a little bit more about, about you?
Speaker 0 00:32:55 Yeah. So a website's a great way to go. www.andrewdps.com. Um, I've got a Facebook group you can access from there, just a video library of blogs and videos, a couple of free trainings, you got free access to. Um, and that will really introduce you to, to me, to what I do to how I think and how I help people. And, um, it will take you to my social links and accounts and whatnot as well.
Speaker 1 00:33:23 Fantastic. So there'll be no recent pictures of you in barley, but I do hope that you get back there pretty soon, but you know, as, for, as long as this goes on, it sounds like you've got the right approach to it and you're making the most of it. And again, some quality time with the parents there, but Andrea, it's been an absolute pleasure to have you on give yourself the chat. We will talk again. Cause I know that this kind of stuff runs deep with you, my friends. So I'd love to explore some more ideas. And perhaps when you're in one of those cafes on a beach front in Bali, how about that?
Speaker 0 00:33:53 Yeah, absolutely. I've uh, I've enjoyed this chat. I feel like we're on the, on the same wavelength with some stuff. So I could say a few more happening in the future.
Speaker 1 00:34:01 Fantastic mate. Take care of yourself.
Speaker 0 00:34:03 She's fine.
Speaker 1 00:34:08 So another wonderful podcasts guests they're on. Give yourself the chat. I love the way Andrew describes meditation as just the practice of being observant rather than just trying to meditate and his retreats sound wonderful. So I think the next time I chat with him, I'll have to find an excuse to get myself out to Bali and interview in face to face. But for the meantime, the conversations going on over at LinkedIn, please connect with me, suggest topics and guests that you'd like me to interview here on the podcast and also forward onto your community. Let's spread the word. And if you're listening on iTunes or Spotify, either follow, or if you'd be kind enough to leave a review, then that would be great. But for the meantime, take care of yourself and I'll see you on the next one.
